tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36762068.post5064853734548698462..comments2023-10-22T05:51:24.101-04:00Comments on Phasing Grace | Social Architectures and Virtual Worlds: Identity Verification = Trust ?Grace McDunnoughâ„¢http://www.blogger.com/profile/10573463430195713363noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36762068.post-15853259984235622602010-01-31T20:41:02.082-05:002010-01-31T20:41:02.082-05:00Thanks Grace, for another well considered and thou...Thanks Grace, for another well considered and thought provoking blog. I am an SL resident who chooses to remain 'anonymous' in real life. Not because I have secrets to hide, nor skeletons in my cupboard. I have simply chosen not to allow any cross over between both lives. I am happy for people to know that I am the gender represented by my avatar, and this is generally verifed by voice. I am happy for people to know that I am, in my opinion, a trustworthy soul, and this is verified by letting people get to know me over a period of time and make their own judement. We all have a friends list of people in whom we place a great deal of trust. That trust has been earnt, not gleaned from some verification system.<br><br> I am not happy for people to know my RL name or address, occupation or telephone number etc etc. Like so many in SL I have a realife 'presence' on the internet. My true identity can be 'googled' in a second and leads to personal contact details. The last thing I want is a 3am phone call at my home address from someone offering me sl mall space at a reduced rate!<br><br>So far SL has allowed me that anonimity and my SL friends are always happy to respect my choice.<br><br>The introduction of IDV concerns me, for the very reasons stated by Grace. There will be a greater expectation within the community to 'reveal' who you really are. And an increased suspicion if you choose not to.<br><br>I am, frankly, shocked Grace that you were expected, in voice , to reveal who you are and what you do in real life. To me that is a breach of the social etiquette of second life and I have never heard of that occuring in the past.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36762068.post-78655228745185159052008-05-06T11:14:00.000-04:002008-05-06T11:14:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36762068.post-66557486835109520022007-10-09T06:55:00.000-04:002007-10-09T06:55:00.000-04:00Thanks Grace, for another well considered and thou...Thanks Grace, for another well considered and thought provoking blog. I am an SL resident who chooses to remain 'anonymous' in real life. Not because I have secrets to hide, nor skeletons in my cupboard. I have simply chosen not to allow any cross over between both lives. I am happy for people to know that I am the gender represented by my avatar, and this is generally verifed by voice. I am happy for people to know that I am, in my opinion, a trustworthy soul, and this is verified by letting people get to know me over a period of time and make their own judement. We all have a friends list of people in whom we place a great deal of trust. That trust has been earnt, not gleaned from some verification system.<BR/><BR/> I am not happy for people to know my RL name or address, occupation or telephone number etc etc. Like so many in SL I have a realife 'presence' on the internet. My true identity can be 'googled' in a second and leads to personal contact details. The last thing I want is a 3am phone call at my home address from someone offering me sl mall space at a reduced rate!<BR/><BR/>So far SL has allowed me that anonimity and my SL friends are always happy to respect my choice.<BR/><BR/>The introduction of IDV concerns me, for the very reasons stated by Grace. There will be a greater expectation within the community to 'reveal' who you really are. And an increased suspicion if you choose not to.<BR/><BR/>I am, frankly, shocked Grace that you were expected, in voice , to reveal who you are and what you do in real life. To me that is a breach of the social etiquette of second life and I have never heard of that occuring in the past.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36762068.post-34974675700823334402007-10-07T23:20:00.000-04:002007-10-07T23:20:00.000-04:00@funnyman The Spring conference was in NYC, and t...@funnyman The Spring conference was in NYC, and this one (Fall) is in San Jose. I'm sure there will be a Spring 2008 but not sure where it will be. Keep an eye on the site.Grace McDunnoughâ„¢https://www.blogger.com/profile/10573463430195713363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36762068.post-52813930082922945442007-10-07T17:38:00.000-04:002007-10-07T17:38:00.000-04:00A Virtual Worlds 2007 Conference and Expo? Is it o...A Virtual Worlds 2007 Conference and Expo? Is it only in California? I never even heard about it but great find. It looks engrossing.The Sports Satiristhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15859285532328834135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36762068.post-55164115112089922702007-10-07T15:52:00.000-04:002007-10-07T15:52:00.000-04:00@barney You are right, the IDV is not even close ...@barney You are right, the IDV is not even close to verification. re:Linden, I am disappointed as well, but I think we both may be making a big assumption, and that is LL knows better. More and more I'm starting to think, not so much.<BR/><BR/>@giff I would be surprised if the IDV system served as an adequate protection to merge the teen and adult grids, but that would be intriguing. And you are right, LL highlighted database load as an underlying reason they removed the ratings system only after arguing "the ratings system has become less and less useful". Legacy tech decisions plague us all ;-)Grace McDunnoughâ„¢https://www.blogger.com/profile/10573463430195713363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36762068.post-89683902388679964422007-10-07T11:48:00.000-04:002007-10-07T11:48:00.000-04:00Yes, hard to see an identity verification system e...Yes, hard to see an identity verification system equating to trust unless it's a name that already has reputational meaning (someone publicly known) but even then you'd be questioning authenticity. It might provide a thin layer of trust over totally blank, anonymous griefer accounts but maybe not much more... and a dedicated griefer would have fun with spoofing identity I would think.<BR/><BR/>BTW, my take is that LL removed their reputation system because it was seriously flawed, and they figured they would pull it until they or someone else dreamed up something better.<BR/><BR/>I don't see IDV being useful for trust at all, but just a way to segment access to various mature parts of the grid. If it provides enough liability protection to LL that they take down the irritating walls between SL and Teen SL then it serves a decent purpose.<BR/><BR/>If I can identity verify myself, why the heck can't I have my real name? ah, legacy tech decisions...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36762068.post-25668472113664202112007-10-07T09:05:00.000-04:002007-10-07T09:05:00.000-04:00It's actually worse with the IDV system - it doesn...It's actually worse with the IDV system - it doesn't verify at all, in reality. I more and more think that Gwynneth is spot on with her theory about insurance - Aristotle will verify where they, can, sure, but only to reduce their own risk in the whole thing. They don#t really care wether they _can_ verify anybody reliably, they only care wether that might reduce their risk.<BR/><BR/>Especially the "public available databases" is a whole big fat strawman - those databases in most cases just plain don't exist. Allmost all of europe won't provide such databases even for their own country residents, they sure as hell don't provide them to some american company.<BR/><BR/>In Germany for example those databases don't even exist for the government - since the resident databases are organized on the lower levels (we are a federation in that regard - the central authority has far less data than for example our politicians like).<BR/><BR/>So - how can a deeply flawed system whose sole existence might be to cover LLs ass and make money in some kind of insurance business for Aristotle enhance trust? What has trust actually to do with this rather shady business?<BR/><BR/>I think it's highly annoying and insulting to read about this "trust" stuff all the time on the Linden's blog, because it's kinda like they assume everybody must be utterly and completely stupid.Barneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03383577403044111553noreply@blogger.com